Post title: words from Shunryu Suzuki
(Feb 24 2010 at 08:20 PM)
(from a correspondence with a friend)
hope your sitting is going well. I am still inspired by our conversation, and tonight I chance upon these words from Shunryu Suzuki:
"You may say that your mind is practicing zazen and ignore your body, the practice of your body. Sometimes when you think that you are doing zazen with an imperturbable mind, you ignore the body, but it is also necessary to have the opposite understanding at the same time. Your body is practicing zazen in imperturbability while your mind is moving."
Tassajara, Sunday, June 28, 197 (edited by Bill Redican)
(This of course is from a longer lecture, off David Chadwick's site at www.cuke.com)
If that's so, then the question might be, is the mind that is moving practicing zazen like the other parts of the body? Suzuki says "Check to see that each part of your body is doing zazen independently."
So the action comes out of the part in mind, and out of the mind as a part, that's how I see zazen.
all for now, hope it s a good night up there.
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(Feb 25 2010 at 10:42 AM)
In the Suzuki talk you quote -- was he speaking of "big Mind" or "small mind?" The body and sense world is definitely preferable to the small mind of "false thinking and the illusion of personal possession." But "big Mind" is both body and mind, as well as neither, etc. When Dogen spoke of "dropping body and mind," I think he was referring to the small mind.
Suzuki was talking about samadhi or shikantaza.
But what were you talking about when you said the "action comes out of the part in mind, and the mind as a part.?" What action? Which part?
(Feb 25 2010 at 10:45 AM)
On the above, I'm reading the lecture by Suzuki again, and he said:
'When you see something, you may think that you are watching something else outside yourself. But, actually, you are watching your mudra or your toe. That is why zazen practice represents the whole universe. We should do zazen with this feeling in our practice. You should not say, "I practice zazen with my body." It is not so.
Dogen-zenji says, "Water does not flow, but the bridge flows."'
Myself, I have to wonder if Dogen said that last line, or if Suzuki was just putting words into Dogen's mouth (words that were actually uttered by Fuxi). Regardless, the principle is the same. The moment when wherever my mind is, is home, is the moment my mind is intimately connected with the activity of my posture. One place at a time.
Dropping body and mind to me is each thing without exception creating the same wave of posture. Think I'll go wave at my posture now, have a good night!
(Mar 15 2010 at 09:49 PM)
first of all, the process of commenting is cumbersome...to the point where i could barely stop myself from muttering..kill me now.the only good thing about this is the spell check.
i think that there are many ways to approach the problem of suffering,the idea of karma.this is about how to stop making things worse...and i think that can get lost in this type of conversation.
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